“Ruminations”

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What does it mean that Jesus learned obedience?

Our fellowship, Sovereign Christ Church is using John Piper’s Passion of Jesus Christ, or Fifty Reasons Why Jesus Came to Die as a 50-Day devotional before Resurrection Sunday (Easter). This is such a rich exercise and I recommend it to everyone. Click the link above to download a free PDF.

After reading Day Three: Christ Suffered and Died. . . To Learn Obedience and Be Perfected, one person asked how His learning obedience and becoming perfect was possible. Here is the answer I gave:

This is an excellent question. In the Book of Hebrews, there are a fair number of complexities. Taking a text from Hebrews and slowing down and asking a lot of questions is wise.

In the passage of Hebrews 5:8-9, there are a few minor things going on, as well as some clarity in how one handles words. Hidden in the Greek, which is of little importance for us in my opinion, is a play on like-sounding words between what is translated “learned” (Greek= emathen) and “suffered” (Greek= epathen). This may have influenced the use of those particular words for the original readers. The meaning though is wrapped up in a bit of a language discussion.

When looking at these Ancient Middle-Eastern languages, we avoid simply looking for a word-for-word translation – as if there is a one-to-one relationship between Koine Greek words and English words. We are tempted to say, “The Greek word ‘X’ means ‘Y’ in English; where The Greek word ‘R means ‘S’ in English”. Rather, we should see the words in what is know as semantic domains, or groupings of somewhat synonymous words that are influenced and flavored by one another – even serving to be interchangeable at times. See here:
http://net.bible.org/#!bible/John+21:16
for more of a discussion on this and look at footnote number 31. This will be a bit of a thick read, but worth it. Tell me if more questions arise out of it.

So, what I mean is that the definition of the word is often wider than we might think and is often driven by how the word is used, more than a lexical meaning in a language dictionary. This does not mean that the definition is up for grabs. It is just a bit more philological than lexical- that is, how a word is used, its function, can overule a decided dictionary definition.

This is the case with these two words, one more than the other. The word for “learned” carries with it strong connotations of experience. That is, Jesus “learned” the experience of obedience through bodily physical suffering. This is not just a cognitive understanding, but something that He would experience so that He would become for us what we needed. (Hebrews 4:15) Granted, this semantic flexibility is not as flexible as we will see in the word translated “perfected” (teliow), but together, this understanding of “He learned the experience of” is preferred. This is why the intro of “Although He was a Son (of God)” . . . is there. Because He is the Son of God, this discussion might seem a bit unusual.

In verse 9, “been made perfect” is a phrase that also carries the nuances of fulfillment or completion . . . and in some cases maturity (see James 1:4). I believe that is what is at play here- namely, Jesus wanted to do all that fulfills what we needed Him to be by God’s design to be what Hebrews 4:15 says He became for us. This is much like what Jesus said to John the Baptizer in Matthew 3:15. He was to fulfill the plan and be what God had determined. See Acts 2:23 and 4:27-28 on this.

So, Jesus obeyed the Father in the way He always does (John 8:28 & 12:49), yet, here, in the Incarnation and as one who suffers – there is a great mystery here that God can suffer, a mystery which is the Incarnation. He experienced the obedience through suffering (learned) such that He would fulfill or complete (be made perfect) all that was to be completed according to the predetermined plan.

He certainly did not add to His essence or eternal wisdom.

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River Valley Ranch: What’s Your Vantage Point?

I was privileged to be a part of a ministry to Middle and High-Schoolers this past weekend at River Valley Ranch in upstate Maryland, near the border of Pennsylvania. It was a pretty intense weekend called “Winter Meltdown.” It is a GGRREEAATTT weekend retreat for both the students AND the leaders and volunteers. The RVR staff takes care of everything so they can achieve their goal, which is

 

to provide a place free from the distractions of everyday life, where students and leaders can focus on God and build meaningful relationships with each other.

 

From my perspective, they did just that. I am posting my slide packs here, so if any of the youth leaders want to refer back to these, they can. Use everything at will!

WMD Session 1

WMD Session 2

WMD Session 3

WMD Session 4

 

If anyone needs a great camp to go to for any of several reasons, RVR is the place to be!

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Yeah . . . I think this one get’s it

I’m usually not too given to the heavy stuff, but wow . . yeah . . . I think this one get’s it. If you are not familiar with the Ezekiel 36 passage, check out Ezekiel 36:16-38. What grace!!!

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Blog Nostalgia – Anthology and Review

A friend of mine told me that he missed seeing the posts. I have been so busy since last Fall, that I have definitely slowed down here. I think I can help AND deal with something that I have always had issues with.

Since blog posts are a bit more “now” than even magazines and newspapers, these e-periodical submissions are easily lost when new posts push the older ones out. I have to imagine that few dig around on the site to fine useful reading in the archived material. I know of other bloggers that will go back and take useful past posts and provide a review of sorts, so I thought I would as well. Just click the links to see the posts.

 

I’ll start with the Lighter Stuff.

 

The first is an old favorite about Chick Fil A. I was just starting out on the blog and wanted to take a little extra time to write a bit more. If the writing becomes cumbersome, just go right to the video.

 

The next has been a great favorite laugh moment of mine for a while. It is Bob Newhart at his best in what I call, The Darker Side of Nouthetic Counseling.

 

A fun site is mentioned in a wordle of The Apostles Creed.

 

Finally, on a cheeky, but serious note, why are we so easily shut down when wanting to talk about Jesus – but, not ice cream?

 

 

More anthologies to come!

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