DailyTheocentrism: The “Power of Prayer” that changes God’s mind is likened unto Open Theism, aka heresy.
I have heard countless pithy statements like:
– prayer changes things (meaning, “gets things done”)
– there’s power in prayer (just add incantation . . )
– we are empowered by your prayers (man-powered ministry)
– God’s will is activated by prayer (I guess a little leaven . . . )
– I felt your prayers (what’s a little animism between friends?)
I bring these few up among many others to demonstrate how we have it all on it’s head. If prayer does change anything, it changes the one who is praying as they conform the the sovereign will of God. See the Model Prayer for help: Matthew 6:9-13
He is the Creator, Sustainer and Judge. We go to Him to get answers, not give them. And there we find grace and mercy and care.
There is no power in prayer, rather there is power in God.
Carol writes: I like what you wrote, but how do you explain James 5:13-18?
Thanks, Carol. This is a great question – including a greatness of difficulty.
There are a few presuppositions that we need:
– The writing style of James is such that some have called it NT Wisdom Literature – meaning that there will be almost proverbial teaching at points and we all know that they are not formulaic – meaning they are not formulas that are meant to work as they lay on the page every time. (E.G Proverbs 22:6)
– James is not the only NT book that speaks on prayer and it’s results – especially dealing with “sickness” (E.G. 2 Cor. 12:7-10)
– There is a context to the passage that might give us some other ideals – since a great deal of the book is about suffering that is not relieved, but rather necessary for our growth (James 1)
Having said that, there are two general approaches, in my book.
1. The “sickness” that is to be prayed for is actually “spiritual down troddenness”, not physical ailment. This is where guys like MacArthur go.
2. Another approach is to see this as the self-attestation of the Body of Christ and the Church structure given by the Lord on how the normal functioning of the Church, according to the Scripture is to be sought. Namely, if there is a problem – we should go to God about it. This would be best handled together, and if together, having an elder involved is preferred. Their prayers are “effective” because they know what to pray for and this brings about the comfort and healing of the peace of God that passes all understanding.
There is question on what exactly is being healed. There is question on why anointing with oil – it is here that I think even Johnny Mac contradicts himself in his commentary. Anyhow . . .
The issue here is that faith believes God and relies on God and turns to God and trusts God. This is why the forgiveness of sins and “sickness” and suffering are all lumped in here. James is saying go to God, God’s way, in God’s Church – trusting in God. There is no other place or way for true healing. Like I said, a bit more proverbial.
For the content of the type of prayer that is effectual and avails much, I would refer us to Matthew 6:5-13, especially verse 9ff:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10 ‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
11 ‘Give us this day our daily bread.
12 ‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 ‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’
Notice that it is us bending to God’s will in all of this, not asking Him to bend to ours.
I hope this helps!
Rob, what about Luke 11:5-8?
Spurgeon’s expounding of God’s truth from Jude 20 puts an exclamation point on Rob’s initial theocentrism, that is, ” Mark the grand characteristic of true prayer–‘In the Holy Ghost.’ The seed of acceptable devotion must come from heaven’s storehouse. Only the prayer which comes from God can go to God. We must shoot the Lord’s arrows back to Him. That desire which He writes upon our heart will move His heart and bring down a blessing, but the desires of the flesh have no power with Him.” Makes me want to pray more “true” prayers, and not “just” pray.
Scott,
It’s good to hear from you. Sorry it took me a bit to get to this. This is a great question that I think more people have than are willing to ask and just end up living in the tension and never really reconciling it all.
As we begin to answer it, we want to get a basis on the type of Scripture that this text finds itself in, namely parables. There are a few really good books on the parables:
Interpreting the Parables by Craig Blomberg, An Introduction to the Parables of Jesus by Robert S and the Parables of Jesus by David Wenham (although this one is my least favorite and a bit revolutionary [no pun intended- you’ll see if you read it]).
Second, as can be seen in several places in these books, there are different devices employed in parables that could include comparison, contrast, direct symbol, distant symbol, etc. One of the devices used is the very common greater/lesser argument (latin:fortiori) that is most often capped off with, “how much more . . . ” – that is the device at play in this context, and specifically in this parable, connected as well to the parable in 11:9-13.
As Stein says it in his Luke commentary,
Now, I made sure to put the entire quote in so that you can see that he tips his hat to the persistence concept in the beginning, but then clarifies in the end. He appropriately makes a connection between this parable and the parable of the unjust judge in chapter 18. The purpose, though, is not to connect God with the unjust judge, nor the unwilling neighbor. Rather it is to make a comparison (that is more directly played out in 11:9-13) that if we can get an answer from each of these guys – and they’re evil (11:13), HOW MUCH MORE will we be heard and taken care of by our heavenly Father.
These 13 verses are an entire context on prayer that should be read together, practically climaxing in verse 13.
Keep in mind the full version of the Model Prayer in Matthew 6 that has us begin by praying for (conformity to) God’s will. Jesus teaches them to pray here, then tells them not to give up, reminds them that God’s grace (both effectual and common grace) have “evil” men doing good things in response to need, and HOW MUCH MORE will our Father in heaven meet all our needs according to His great and perfect will.
We do not persist Him to answer nor act, we persist to not ever loose heart in His timing and will. We don’t change His mind, but rather conform to His will.
I hope this helps! Thanks, brother. Tell Karla we said hi.
Rob, I thought about writing about the unjust judge also – I’m glad your quote included that. I am going to steal your lines in the next to last paragraph. They are right on.