Sovereign Christ Church
What does it mean that Jesus learned obedience?
Our fellowship, Sovereign Christ Church is using John Piper’s Passion of Jesus Christ, or Fifty Reasons Why Jesus Came to Die as a 50-Day devotional before Resurrection Sunday (Easter). This is such a rich exercise and I recommend it to everyone. Click the link above to download a free PDF.
After reading Day Three: Christ Suffered and Died. . . To Learn Obedience and Be Perfected, one person asked how His learning obedience and becoming perfect was possible. Here is the answer I gave:
This is an excellent question. In the Book of Hebrews, there are a fair number of complexities. Taking a text from Hebrews and slowing down and asking a lot of questions is wise.
In the passage of Hebrews 5:8-9, there are a few minor things going on, as well as some clarity in how one handles words. Hidden in the Greek, which is of little importance for us in my opinion, is a play on like-sounding words between what is translated “learned” (Greek= emathen) and “suffered” (Greek= epathen). This may have influenced the use of those particular words for the original readers. The meaning though is wrapped up in a bit of a language discussion.
When looking at these Ancient Middle-Eastern languages, we avoid simply looking for a word-for-word translation – as if there is a one-to-one relationship between Koine Greek words and English words. We are tempted to say, “The Greek word ‘X’ means ‘Y’ in English; where The Greek word ‘R means ‘S’ in English”. Rather, we should see the words in what is know as semantic domains, or groupings of somewhat synonymous words that are influenced and flavored by one another – even serving to be interchangeable at times. See here:
http://net.bible.org/#!bible/John+21:16
for more of a discussion on this and look at footnote number 31. This will be a bit of a thick read, but worth it. Tell me if more questions arise out of it.So, what I mean is that the definition of the word is often wider than we might think and is often driven by how the word is used, more than a lexical meaning in a language dictionary. This does not mean that the definition is up for grabs. It is just a bit more philological than lexical- that is, how a word is used, its function, can overule a decided dictionary definition.
This is the case with these two words, one more than the other. The word for “learned” carries with it strong connotations of experience. That is, Jesus “learned” the experience of obedience through bodily physical suffering. This is not just a cognitive understanding, but something that He would experience so that He would become for us what we needed. (Hebrews 4:15) Granted, this semantic flexibility is not as flexible as we will see in the word translated “perfected” (teliow), but together, this understanding of “He learned the experience of” is preferred. This is why the intro of “Although He was a Son (of God)” . . . is there. Because He is the Son of God, this discussion might seem a bit unusual.
In verse 9, “been made perfect” is a phrase that also carries the nuances of fulfillment or completion . . . and in some cases maturity (see James 1:4). I believe that is what is at play here- namely, Jesus wanted to do all that fulfills what we needed Him to be by God’s design to be what Hebrews 4:15 says He became for us. This is much like what Jesus said to John the Baptizer in Matthew 3:15. He was to fulfill the plan and be what God had determined. See Acts 2:23 and 4:27-28 on this.
So, Jesus obeyed the Father in the way He always does (John 8:28 & 12:49), yet, here, in the Incarnation and as one who suffers – there is a great mystery here that God can suffer, a mystery which is the Incarnation. He experienced the obedience through suffering (learned) such that He would fulfill or complete (be made perfect) all that was to be completed according to the predetermined plan.
He certainly did not add to His essence or eternal wisdom.
DailyTheocentrism: Ministry = His words, His strength -His Glory. (1 Peter 4:11)
We are stewards of a Message that is not ours. We are not masters of it, but it is to master us. We wield no great power, but rather bear witness to Another’s power. We are not professionals, but paupers rich in love and life.
We are clay pots- dirt baked hard;
We are sheep- even the shepherds are sheep;
We are vines- utterly dependent on the Root for life;
We are sinners, saved through a Message that is not ours;
We are not masters of it, but it is to master us…
The message is not our own;
The strength is not our own;
The ministry is not our own;
We are not our own;
Therefore:
There is no power in prayer, but power in God;
ALL praise belongs to God alone.
There is no power in the preacher, but power in the Gospel.
It is God’s power for salvation.
There is no power in the gifts, but power in the Spirit.
We are impotent- He is omnipotent.
There is no power in the Church, but power in the Head;
Severed from Christ, we are lifeless and lost.
There is no boasting, save in the One who
Made us;
Owns us;
Holds us;
Speaks for us;
Speaks through us;
Guides us;
Strengthens us;
Animates us;
Loves us.
Sovereign Christ Church: Indiana Jones has lifted the golden monkey and the ball is rolling . . .
We, my brother and my friend, Jason Pierce (in case you didn’t know that) Chamberlain graduated tonight, having completed the requirements for his Masters of Divinity. Well done, Jason.
Tomorrow, back to work . . .
We were holding back the reigns a bit so that Jason could finish his studies strong and well, and by God’s grace and strength, he did. Now, here are some things about the church plant to expect very soon, so pass the word.
- Articles about distinctive of this fellowship and the why’s behind the what’s
- Core group meeting throughout the summer: For those of you that God has impressed upon you to get on mission and to do this with us – and you know who you are – we will be meeting throughout the summer in addition to your regular weekly worship where you are attending now. These meetings will be to begin to humble ourselves before God, to pray for wisdom and conformity to His will, to dialog about what the Church is and how we can savor in Christ as we are teaching others to do the same. We will discus in those meetings how we intend to accomplish the call to glorify God by making disciples of Jesus, the Christ – our Lord.
- Town Meetings: We are hoping to schedule two Town Meetings this summer to inform other families about what we are doing. The reason for this is two-fold. First, we just want to spread the wealth that real fellowship and real servant ministry and real grace-centered living is possible – and it really doesn’t matter how you’re dressed while you are doing it. Second, we want to expose others to the calling the Lord has given us to reach out with the Gospel to East Raleigh/Knightdale and lay out the opportunity to help. This will also be a time that you can interact with the elders with any questions you might have.
- Location and dates for the launch: We have been looking into this and have a lot of info to work with. We just need to pray and seek God’s provision for both.
- Social media opportunities like Facebook and Twitter
- Active and helpful website
- Ways that friends can help.
Please feel free to email us with any questions and we’ll keep you posted.
rob@sovereignchristchurch.org
jason@sovereignchristchurch.org
